The Phone Is Not Ringing Off the Hook
I wanted to share an article from the Wall Street Journal yesterday that I thought was very interesting. Jason Zweig interviewed Charlie Munger of Berkshire Hathaway. Charlie is Warren Buffett’s right hand man and in my opinion is one the greatest investors who has every lived. Charlie Munger’s hero is Benjamin Franklin and many people joke that Charlie is a reincarnation of Benjamin Franklin. Charlie even wrote a classic investment book titled Poor Charlie’s Almanack: The Wit and Wisdom of Charles T. Munger.
There is so much noise right now on what’s happening or what’s going to happen next. At 96 years old, Charlie’s wisdom is a blessing and he cuts through the headlines and gives us insight into what they are thinking inside of Berkshire Hathaway. Charlies investment advice is to play the long game and not be aggressive. The goal is to ride out the storm and come out on the other side stronger financially. Charlies says that everyone is frozen now. Even though there might be buying opportunities, Charlie doesn’t have the faintest idea whether the stock market is going to go lower than the old lows or whether it’s not. The coronavirus shutdown is “something we have to live through,” letting the chips fall where they may, he said. “What else can you do?”
Below is the very timely interview in full.
Charlie Munger: ‘The Phone Is Not Ringing Off the Hook’
The Berkshire Hathaway vice chairman has always preached the value of being prepared to pounce when there are bargains to be had. Has that time come?
By Jason Zweig
April 17, 2020 10:00 am ET
If the coronavirus lockdown has frozen your investing plans, you’re in good company. Charlie Munger is watching and waiting, too.
Mr. Munger, vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and Warren Buffett’s longtime business partner, likes to say that one of the keys to great investing results is “sitting on your ass.” That means doing nothing the vast majority of the time, but buying with “aggression” when bargains abound.
I spoke this week by phone with Mr. Munger, who turned 96 years old on Jan. 1. He sounded as sharp and vigorous as ever, and as usual he drew bright lines between what he’s fairly certain of and what he thinks belongs in the “too-hard pile”—where he and Mr. Buffett consign questions they don’t know how to answer. Overall, Mr. Munger made it clear that he regards this as a time for caution rather than action.
In 2008-09, the years of the last financial crisis, Berkshire spent tens of billions of dollars investing in (among others) General Electric Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and buying Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp. outright.
‘Everybody’s just frozen.’
— Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Charlie Munger
Will Berkshire step up now to buy businesses on the same scale?
“Well, I would say basically we’re like the captain of a ship when the worst typhoon that’s ever happened comes,” Mr. Munger told me. “We just want to get through the typhoon, and we’d rather come out of it with a whole lot of liquidity. We’re not playing, ‘Oh goody, goody, everything’s going to hell, let’s plunge 100% of the reserves [into buying businesses].’”
He added, “Warren wants to keep Berkshire safe for people who have 90% of their net worth invested in it. We’re always going to be on the safe side. That doesn’t mean we couldn’t do something pretty aggressive or seize some opportunity. But basically we will be fairly conservative. And we’ll emerge on the other side very strong.”
Surely hordes of corporate executives must be calling Berkshire begging for capital?
“No, they aren’t,” said Mr. Munger. “The typical reaction is that people are frozen. Take the airlines. They don’t know what the hell’s doing. They’re all negotiating with the government, but they’re not calling Warren. They’re frozen. They’ve never seen anything like it. Their playbook does not have this as a possibility.”
He repeated for emphasis, “Everybody’s just frozen. And the phone is not ringing off the hook. Everybody’s just frozen in the position they’re in.”
With Berkshire’s vast holdings in railroads, real estate, utilities, insurance and other industries, Mr. Buffett and Mr. Munger may have more and better data on U.S. economic activity than anyone else, with the possible exception of the Federal Reserve. But Mr. Munger wouldn’t even hazard a guess as to how long the downturn might last or how bad it could get.
“Nobody in America’s ever seen anything else like this,” said Mr. Munger. “This thing is different. Everybody talks as if they know what’s going to happen, and nobody knows what’s going to happen.”
Is another Great Depression possible?
“Of course we’re having a recession,” said Mr. Munger. “The only question is how big it’s going to be and how long it’s going to last. I think we do know that this will pass. But how much damage, and how much recession, and how long it will last, nobody knows.”
He added, “I don’t think we’ll have a long-lasting Great Depression. I think government will be so active that we won’t have one like that. But we may have a different kind of a mess. All this money-printing may start bothering us.”
Can the government reduce its role in the economy once the virus is under control?
“I don’t think we know exactly what the macroeconomic consequences are going to be,” said Mr. Munger. “I do think, sooner or later, we’ll have an economy back, which will be a moderate economy. It’s quite possible that never again—not again in a long time—will we have a level of employment again like we just lost. We may never get that back for all practical purposes. I don’t know.”
Berkshire won’t escape unscathed. “This will cause us to shutter some businesses,” Mr. Munger said. “We have a few bad businesses that…we could be tolerant of as members of the family. Somebody else would have already shut them down. We’ve got a few businesses, small ones, we won’t reopen when this is over.”
Mr. Munger told me: “I don’t have the faintest idea whether the stock market is going to go lower than the old lows or whether it’s not.” The coronavirus shutdown is “something we have to live through,” letting the chips fall where they may, he said. “What else can you do?”
Investors can take a few small steps to restore a sense of control—by harvesting tax losses, for instance—but, for now, sitting still alongside Mr. Munger seems the wisest course.
